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was, it was the end of childhood for him. it was very hard, very difficult. >> and now speaking out to tell kids, hey, don't get involved. raphael, thank you so much. that does it for us. hope you have a great weekend. rick sanchez picks it up from here. making news right now during your national conversation -- banks are at it again, scoring huge bonuses a year after we bailed them out. >> hey, hey, the greedy banks have got to go. >> so now this, british bankers will only get half of their bonus, and still be taxed on top of that. and this morning, the french have done the same. is it time for america to follow suit? i will tell you what president obama says. dissent smashed in cuba by pro government brigades and cnn is there.
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>> this is a lot more confrontational. >> what happens when one man, one party becomes the thought police? the officer who stole a lawyer's documents while her back was turned, refuses a judge's order to apologize, because his boss, sheriff joe arpaio says he doesn't have to. >> every time i see it, it is like watching the keystone cops. >> can a sheriff, this sheriff defy the law? your national conversation featured on npr, wait, wait, don't tell me. in a packed house. my access is your access. my access is your access. friday, december 11, 2009. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, again, everybody. i'm rick sanchez with the next generation of news. it is a conversation and not a
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speech and as always, it is your turn to be involved. today, i know you will be jazzed about how wall street is suddenly making big profits and big bonuses and you are not. the british have a plan, the french have a plan, but we don't. more on that in a minute. but first, i want you to take a look at these guys. all five of them are american, and today, they are in pakistan, but they are all probably coming back here to the united states to answer accusations that they are terrorist wannabes. all five were rounded up an arrested this week by police in pakistan. i am about to show you the maps that they had with them when they were caught. the jihad literature that they had. the computer web sites that officials say that these guys were going to use for holy war, and that they were really looking for a way into afghanistan. all right. let's roll that arwa damon report from the islamabad, rog.
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>> reporter: these are the young men now at the focus of an investigation spanning two continents. they vanished from the united states at the end of last month. interior minister says that authorities were quickly on their trail. >> well, in fact, we have very good cooperation with the fbi. i have received a communication giving details of five individuals who had already left u.s., and that was a good clue. >> reporter: pakistani authorities say they tracked the men to the city of sargodha. >> according to thein vestigation, they had gone to one of the cities on the watch list, and probably in this region they said, we don't want you, because we deal or take people only with references. >> reporter: each day police say they are putting more pieces of this bewildering puzzle together. the interrogation report released by the police questioning them in sargodha says that they were headed to
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pakistan's tribal areas and then on to afghanistan. none has yet been formally charged, and the mother of one of the men told us that he came to pakistan to get married. police have their own theory, that they came to wage jihad. and as the interior minister acknowledges, some parts of pakistan provide accessible ground for those seeking a path to terror. >> let's not forget that al qaeda had been operating for years and years in the area of pakistan and afghanistan and if you see all of the efforts of the terrorists who were brought in the war with soviet union and pakistan and there are the remnants and whether their father had been staying here, but somehow there was a connection with that war. >> reporter: what worries the pakistanis is the influx of young min in recent years coming here to seek jihad as they struggle to cope with their own homegrown militants. arwa damon, islamabad.
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>> that is happening on that side of the world, but here the fbi in virginia and police there are scrambling to interview everybody these men may have possibly talked to or known. they know that they are muslims. they know where they worship. they know where a couple of them went to school. that is where they are starting. here is cnn's jeanne meserve. >> reporter: behind bars in the jail in pakistan, five young american muslim men. state department and fbi representatives have now met with some of them, and a law enforcement official says that there are indications that some may cooperate. >> we are gathering information about, you know, why they were there, who they were in the company of, and the implications of that, and we have reached no conclusions on that. >> reporter: pakistani authorities say that the americans connected with militants after posting comments on youtube videos. they then communicated by reading and deleting drafts of e-mails rather than risking deetection by sending them.
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>> they were mercenaries. they were there for jihad. they could have done anything. >> reporter: computers, jihadi literature and maps highlighting areas of pakistan where terrorists have been active were all seized at the house where the five were arrested according to the pakistanis. authorities have to reconstruct the men's history since none of them had come to the attention of law enfoursment before their parents reported them missing. >> what is mizing is who they were talking to, and who they were meeting with and what e-mail traffic was being sent at the time they were still in the united states. >> reporter: ramy zamzam pictured here on facebook is a student at howard university. investigators are checking out activities and contacts there as well as george mason university where you mar farouk, another one of the americans went to school. also a mosque in virginia where several of the men worshipped. pakistani officials say that the men were intent on making terrorist attacks and made contact with two terror groups,
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u.s. officials are more cautious because they say it is too early to tell who they were in pakistan to see and who they were in contact with. u.s. officials say they are in discussions with pakistani authorities about returning the men tou the united states, but s of now they are not charged with any crime in either country. jeanne meserve in washington. we could be walking down this tunnel for a couple of blocks. >> a good seven to eight blocks this way, over 1,000 feet. >> that is a long way. >> yes, it is. >> to walk in the dark in a tunnel. >> i just touch and feel. >> that has to be creepy. >> how some undocumented immigrants sneak in and hide in the united states. i want to show you by going into one of the sewers and literally showing you what it is like, and then my colleague anderson cooper finds a similar underground scene and he goes across the border to find his. also, wall street is reaping some huge profits with your bailout money. what is the president of the
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united states, what is barack obama going to do about it? maybe if only he were french or british. i would explain that. arianna huffington gets it. she is part of the rick's list. there is arianna, and there is the list and now to her. you would not believe the people tweeting us on this today. she says, taxpayers save the executives jobs, yes, we did. she is 100% right. we did. they were crying several months ago, and she is also suggesting a windfall tax is the least that we, says they can expect in return. this is a very important story. i will break it down for you in a little bit. stay where you are.
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welcome back. i'm rick san cheechez here in t world headquarters of cnn. in the united states per square mile, it turned yesterday into mayhem there. we are talking about times square, new york city. take a look at, this a gun mama who turned up armed with a semi-automatic mac-10 who showed up in a crowd of shoppers. this is like a pacino movie, and the police took care of him and he is dead. mayor bloomberg is using this to make a political statement saying that there are way too many guns on too many people in new york streets. and sheriff joe arpaio and his deputy was seen, and you are seeing him right, there and he is taking a document away from the lawyer while her back is
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turn and he disobeys a judge's order, and now he is getting out of jail pending an appeal. how powerful is joe or pie owe? . this is mayhem inside of cuba. have you seen the latest pictures in cuba in a country where there is no right to protest the government, this is what happens when you do. if only our president would do what the british and the french have the nerve to do to investment bankers. i'm going the explain that. there is richard quest, and in fact, while we look at richard quest, the person, let's go over to our twitter board, if we can, and i want to show you what richard quest sent to us moments ago, and this is his tweet. he is letting us know that over 1,000 bankers in london earned over a million pounds a year, and then he asked if you are one
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of them? we will get into this in a moment.
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welcome back. i'm rick sanchez, and this sim posht news that you should know about. wall street banks are having a
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hell of a year. the firms whose bad decisions and greed had us staring down the barrel of another great depression certainly has been a great recession. the firms who with the help of the federal bailout, ie, your money, my money, got back on their feet, they are back on their feet. and then some. and now, guess what? it is bonus time again. let me read something that i found at bloomberg.com. this is posted yesterday. goldman sachs and morgan stanley and jpmorgan and chase investment banking unit will hand out $29.7 billion in bonuses. that is according to analysts' estimates. that is a record, beating out what they did in 2007. hold on a minute. $29.7 billion in bonuses in a couple of months ago -- all right. let's continue. a year ago, they went begging to the feds, begging, crying, on
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their knees, save us, they said. and we did. and now they are back to paying record bonuses? the bailout worked for them. by the way, how did it work for the rest of us? let's look at that, shall we? here is something else, i read yesterday. home foreclosures will set another record this year in the united states. nearly 4 million filings in 2009. wor worse this year than last. and we don't want to remember last year. unemployment, let ice talk about that, we are at double digits at 10%, and the white house says that recovery happens first, and then we get the jobs back, maybe. and then i found this shocking as well, "the new york times" is reporting that late last month that hunger in the country has hit the highest mark in 14 years, and nearly 50 million americans, 50 million americans do not have reliable access to adequate food in this country.
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the richest country on earth. and now the banks are back to paying themselves record bonuses. you know what they are doing in europe, england and france this week? they have said to their investment bankers, we are taking away exactly one half of each of your bonuses, so there. and by the way, they are doing it in such a way that whatever is left over after they take the 50%, they still get taxed on that. in case you were thinking, oh, it is 50%, and most people get taxed on almost 40% on something like that anyway, no, no, no. richard quest is good enough to join us now from london, and richard, always good to see you. >> thank you. >> that is quite a haircut for these guys by the way, because, you know, that half that they keep, as i just mentioned is going to be taxed. i would imagine that all of london is out celebrating this week. >> now, let's put a few facts into this, rick.
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first of all, first things first. it is the bank, the employer that is going to be taxed 50% of the bonus pool for those bonuses over $40,000. now, when you think that most bankers will get bonuses get in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars, you start to see that the banks, themselves, are going to end up with some hefty bills. in addition to which, here in the uk, the new top rate of tax is 50%. so you are quite right, britain did it first. france has suggested it is going to do it today. and other european countries are looking at it, but rick, this is the core point here, it will only work to stop bankers moving from one place to the next if everybody does it. and that ultimately means the u.s. >> yes, and you have just mentioned it k you think of any reason why the united states of
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america, this president, this administration shouldn't follow suit especially when you consider that most of the schemes, most of the deregulation takeaways and most of the incompetent regulators originated here? >> careful, rick. don't get excited. >> i am trying not to, but it is my blood, baby. >> well, your money, as your heart attack, as well. rick, there are two sides to the argument. now you are putting me in the uncomfortable position to be an apologist for the banks. they say, hang on a second, they made the money, and they have to alt tract the best, and if they do not pay the bonuses, they will simply go to another bank. what i think is fascinating is that the chief executives of these banks haven't had the moral high ground courage to come out and say, we are not paying bonuses, whatever the cost may be. that's what i think -- >> let's do this, because it is
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a friday and we like each other and we are animated and passionate about this, so let me stretch and get myself on a lot of blogs, should we not be surprised that this administration that has surrounded itself by nothing but hacks from wall street and nothing but guys who have nothing to gain in the past by being investment bankers and why should we expect that this administration with guys like geithner and the rest there would do anything to hurt their buddies on wall street, even if it is at the expense of the rest of us? >> come on here, now. you have elevated cynicism and skepticism to an art with that. >> yes, i have. and i'm sticking by it. >> well, i suggest that you are wrong on that, because you can arguably say that the last administration with paulson and geithner who was part of the new york fed is the same group. >> well, what is the difference
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of the guys there now and the guys before? none. >> because the janitor in the basement is not qualified to run the fed or the u.s. treasury secretary. remember that this is a complicated business. these are people, and remember one other thing, rick, you and i are doing this because we enjoy journalism, but many bankers, their creed is money. that is how you reward them, and that is what they worship, and that is what their god is. and when they believe that they are not getting paid the right amount of money, they will move. do i like it? no. it stinks to high heaven and make hes was me want to wretch. >> well, you can't have trouble with the trickle-down theory when the ones down here are getting the -- well, the short end of the stick. let me leave it there, because my producers are telling me i am way over. i love you and appreciate talking to you, man. the joker accused of taking
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pictures of the espn reporter in her privates. look at this guy. that is ahead. but you have to see what happens in cuba when middle-aged women, middle-aged women complain against the government. free speech denied. cnn's cameras are there to capture it as it happened. also, what do you think would happen to you if you took an attorney's documents? perhaps as evidence while he had a case against you while they weren't looking? you think that all of the judge would do is to ask you to apologize, right? sure. we will be right back.
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(announcer) now's the time to review your medicare prescription drug and health plans. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. all right. welcome back. you heard that conversation i was having with my colleague across the pond as they say. "rick's list" is hot and heavy today with people who have a lot to say about this. and again, the question is, should we put some serious burdens or taxes or any kind of thing that we levy as a bit of a punishment on some of the investment bankers and these huge bonuses they are getting already. remember, these are the guys crying a year ago. we have dennis kucinich who sent me this after listening to that conversation. we should tax the bankers' bonuses like they are proposing in europe. i will be introducing legislation that will. well, that is interesting to
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hear. we will follow up on that. let's go to eric cantor who is the gop whip, and the republican whip and he says that new executive pay caps for t.a.r.p. funds show why government needs an exit strategy to get out of the boardroom. a different perspective from him. and now we have andrew sorkin, and you remember him on the show, because i interviewed him after reading his fabulous book, if i say so, the author of "too big to fail" and that is a symbol for goldman sachs, and he says that goldman sachs' bonus plan siends the right signal, bt won't end the total public outcry be total bonus and we will still be so high. because the total bonus number will be too high and in other words, no way to appease the folks upset about it is what andrew intimates there. we will continue the follow that story and the responses, and
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there is going to be a lot of them, i am assured of that. and this, you can join us for the national conversation when you visit atlanta, and go to 877-4cnn-tour. throwing out leftovers may soon be a thing of the past. in the california bay area, a utility district is recycling food and generating power from the methane gas created when it decomposes. >> there is no shortage of food scraps. if it were all utilized for energy, you could power 25,000 homes. >> reporter: the plant processes eight tons of food a week collected from restaurants and grocery stores and in san francisco residents are doing their part to reduce what is sent to landfills. in october, a law was passed requiring both residents and businesses to compost their own foodp skras. >> we keep the bin handy under
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dirt and the mud that's what you have to walk through to get through this thing. what makes it worse, oftentimes, they come into pipes thinking that they will only be in here a few minutes, but it turns out one of these menhoanhole coversl be shut, or worse, the smuggler will simply lie to them. we could walk down this tunnel for a couple of blocks. >> good seven or eight blocks this way, over 1,000 feet. >> that is a long way. >> yes, it is. >> to walk in the dark in a tunnel. >> by just touch and feel, yes. >> it has to be real creepy. >> real creepy. >> do they feel their way around? >> normally holding onto the person ahead of them and touching the walls and feeling their way out until they get to the point where somebody is tapping on the street. >> i have to tell you that place stunk and that is me and my cameraman orle ruiz way below the street level in sewers. certainly within walking distance, and that is why i was
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there to shine a light on a desperate or deadly link or in case the depths that people will go to, in order to get back and forth illegally across the border from the united states to mexico. let me show you something that is just as amazing on the slice of life in texas, which is in juarez. we have told you and juarez on this newscast. it is a city's name that is sadly enough synonymous with crime and drugs and violence and death. a lot of death. officially more than 2,000 people killed there just this year alone. here is my colleague michael ware. >> reporter: it is only 9:00, and we are now going to join this police patrol. since the kill thgs aftings thi afternoon we saw, there is another homicide bringing the day's total to 13. every night joint patrols between local and federal police and mexican soldiers crisscross the city's streets to try to
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stem the flow of blood. things were so bad that earlier in the year, the mexican president had to call in the military to help protect the city. for a short time, there was a lull in the violence, but it quickly returned. now, it is worse than it has ever been before. by now, it is close to 10:00 p.m., and the reports of violence are streaming in over the police radio. we have just received another call on the radio of some kind of incident, but those lights there, that is america. it is the u.s. border. this reminds you just how close this war on drugs is being fought to american soil. >> by the way, michael goes on to report and show us just when he arrived at the crime scene with the mexican police in juarez what he saw there were four people executed, and one of them he says was a teenaged
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girl. another one was a 12-year-old girl, victims of the drug trade, the drug war and the battle to provide drugs to buyers on our side of the border. by the way, we are getting a lot of comments on my conversation they had a little while ago with my colleague overseas. listen to this, this is the very top, and this is just a sprinkling of what we are getting, and most of them are similar. go, rick, go, and you are speaking for all of us on the wall street bonus issue. i hope all of the executives have a great christmas on the american taxpayers' money. sleep well. also this -- >> i was down there last night and drove by and saw the kids. again, that is going back in the private sphere and everything is a day at a time. >> well, the good news is that he is not being impeached. that is governor mark sanford, but the bad news is that his wife just talked to reporters, and what she said is not good.
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how's your daughter, manny? good. we were just going over prescription drug plans. medicare, huh? (manny) umm-huh. i'm there next year. yeah, every year during open enrollment i can review my plan. mine still works for me. now how 'bout a plan for up here? (whistles) uh-uh. (announcer) now's the time to review your medicare prescription drug and health plans. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. welcome back. it is over for mark sanford. wednesday, the embattled
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governor of south carolina managed to beat the wrap, and he will not be impeached as you probably heard right here. he is going to be formally rebuked for his twists with an argentine mistress. so politically, he dodged a bullet, and then there is the question of the marriage which most guys would consider really more important. i know i do. the governor primed after hearing about his political victory seemed to be thinking that somehow he might get equally good news about his marriage. here he was, and i want you to listen to the words and watch him as he speaks. this is yesterday. >> yeah, i mean, you may have missed it, but i was down there last night and i drove by and saw the kids and drove back and driving back at the time the interview took place. but, again, that is going back in the private sphere and everything is a day at a time. >> and here is the upshot today. jenny sanford filed for divorce.
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it must have been a shock to the governor who had just heard, we just heard him saying he was working towards working things out, and just a short time ago we got a statement from governor sanford. he said this -- i will read it to you -- while it is not the course i would have hoped for or would choose, i want to take full responsibility for the moral failure that led us to this tragic point. by the way, i want to share with you a tweet. peter hamby has made "rick's list," and pete ser part of the staff. just as i went to him, it went away. look at the black screen over, there and go ahead, show the black screen. show them the mistakes as the good stuff. just as i went to read peter's tweet, it went out. are you trying to get it back? we are experiencing technical difficulties and we apologize for that. we will get back to peter in a minute.
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it began as a silent march and turned into a full protest. this is cuba, and they are called the women in white. i want to take you through this story. it is fascinating as you watch the video. we will be right back.
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welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. i want to talk to you about cuba now. as many of you know, it is the place where i was born, and this week, we learned that if we had hope of change with fidel gone and all, we may be sorely disappointed. those you are about to see right there are middle-aged women in cuba who call themselves "the women in white." they are not exactly dangerous unless you think that ladies arguing for more freedoms are really a risky bunch.
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the people who attack them on the streets, are they part of a government-orchestrated citizens' response or average people with nothing else to do? i will let you decide that as you watch this incredible report from our correspondent inside havana. she is shasta darlington. >> reporter: the message is loud and clear. the streets of cuba belong to fidel, if i dell castro. between shoves and insults, more than 100 of fidel's supporters confronted what is international human rights day. the target of the wrath was the "women in white" mothers and sisters of jailed dissidents. things are more confrontational and we have seen dozens of government supporters coming out, and we are the women in white shooting liberty and the
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pro government supporters shooting that this street belongs to fidel and out with the worms. luckily there has not been a lot of -- [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: for government supporters this march was orchestrated by an enemy government. >> they are mercenaries one man shouts. they are paid by the united states of america, the same country that has a blockade on us and who threaten our children and who have killed more than 2,000 cubans. the women in white have marched in silence every weekend for six years, and rarely meeting resistance to demand the release of men they say are jailed for their political beliefs. >> this is an intolerant totalitarian government says lauren pollan, they don't want people to express their ideas or freedom of movement. across town a handful of protesters were shoved into cars when they were tried to stage a
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separate march. and a report was contained when he was talking to the press. >> i am here to talk about what i am observing here today, and a lot of people and seeing people carried off and a lot of screaming, as you can hear, and -- >> reporter: after more than two hours, the women in white make it back to the home where the march began, leaving the street to fidel castro's ar dant supporters. shasta darlington, cnn, havana. smart with electronics, but not with car doors. this accused peeping tom squares off with -- look at him -- with reporters. we will let you join the conversation on this one.
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>> this is jeff norman. he doesn't get hea
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i have never in my entire life seen something like what i am about to show you. it is -- i swear, likely one of the most courageous acts that i have ever seen caught on tape. call your friends, get ready to dance, because it is time for f "fotos del dia" and this is amazing. gunshots outside of a manchester pub. and everyone does what you and i would do, run like he will and out of there. now the big guy with the white
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shirt, he doesn't give a darn. he is upset that the guys are hooligans, and he puts the gun in his face, and then takes the guy and beats the you know what out of him. this is amazing. well, watch it again. the guy is coming up, and he has a gun pointed right into the forehead. he says get out of my way. takes the gun and slaps it away and beats the kid up. the gunman is captured and doing three years in prison after the, as for the big guy in the white shirt, sir, i bow to you. i am not worthy. this guy right here has agreed to plead guilty to stalking espn reporter erin andrews. he is accused of drilling a hole in a hotel door and peeping at her in her privates. he is good with microscopic cameras, be wu t
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cameras, but with doors, oh, maybe not so good. to atlanta we go with a full house at the cobb energy center for the hit npr show "wait, wait, don't tell me." recorded last night and airs this weekend and it is really, really funny. i was asked to take part, and of course, your tweets were a big reason for that. >> i heard that you have deadlines. >> it all depends upon how you look at the numbers. >> but is the bigger numbers are high ear and the lower numbers are lower? >> my thanks to peter and charlie and amy and roy, but to npr icon roy castle who is announcing his retirement this month. you have to love npr. now, over to politics gone wild in maricopa county. again, an officer in hot water for this, taking papers from a lawyer's file in court.
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the judge demanding that he apologize, but good old says, no, he doesn't have to apologize. can you sheriff defy the law? we'll ask. that officer's attorney will be joining me, as is criminal defense attorney sylvia vazquez. both are welcome, and we'll enjoy the conversation on the other side of this break.
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"fit nation" now, and here's dr. sanjay gupta. >> well, it all depends on your goals, certainly when it comes to exercise, but this is a study that's caught a lot of people's attention. what derives the most benefit in terms of reducing risk of stroke. researchers studied over 3,000 people, average age 69, followed them for ten years, and it seemed to benefit men who did moderate to higher intensity exercise. you got about a 63% risk reduction in stroke overall in that time period. women for some reason didn't seem to get the same benefit. either party, men other women, didn't seem much benefit in terms of stroke reduction overall. we're talking about a very specific things here. there's obviously lots of good reasons to exercise for both men and women at any age. in case you're yourius, when it
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comes to moderate or high intensity, they're talking about swimming, jogging, tennis, about 20 to 40 minutes a day, doing it three to five or most days of the week. the message should not be that exercise is not beneficial to women at any given age. to why this might be, it's really unclear. if you look at the causes of stroke or the things that can increase your risk -- high blood pressure, high cholesterol, but also something known as inflammation -- inflammation can be a big culprit. one of the theories is men seem to be able to decrease their inflammation more son than women when they do exercise. that could possibly reduce the risk of stroke, but again, a lot more research needing to be done. we're also inviting 1/2 you at home to help us practice what we preach. we're creating something of the "fit nation" challenge. we're going to invite five viewers from around the country
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to join us, to join us for the new york city triathlon, a mile swim, a bike, a 10k run. if you're chosen, we help you train, invite you to new york and do the race with us, helping us practice what we preach, but a glimpse into your own workout routine, what works, what doesn't. so cnn.com/fitnation. it's going to be fun. i'm going to do it for myself. back to you for now. go ahead, roger, if we've got that video, once again. this officer stoddard, maricopa county, in the middle of a case, he goes behind this woman's back, she's an attorney, an officer of the court herself. he goes behind her back, starts looking at her file, reaches in and grabs her file without permission, without asking her, takes it out, see, he's signaling his other friend, takes it out, gives it to him, he makes a copy. he could have stopped the court,
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he could have gotten to the judge, and said, your honor, i have a question i want to ask, he could have frozen the moment, asked for a warrant, but he decides to take it upon himself to take the paper out. as a result the judge has held him in contempt, put him in jail and says he has to apologize. that's it. just apologize. she's not really throwing him in prison. even that he won't do, because joe area pie i don't says he didn't really do anything wrong. deputy county attorney -- all right. let me find your -- tom liddy. thank you for being with us, sir. >> it's a pleasure to be here. thanks for asking. >> why in the world would your client pull something like that in the middle of a courtroom. all he had to do was go over to the judge and say, your honor, it's something that troubles me. you mind if we talk about it real quick?
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>> just take a deep breath and let me explain what was going on. >> maybe you could tell me -- >> hold on just a second, rick. i don't know what's going on in the prisons in tlarcht, but out here in arizona, new mexico, texas, and california we have a brutal prison gang called the mexican mafia. this criminal defendant was a member of that -- >> sir, please -- >> and their efforts are to move information from inside the prison outside to the streets. >> yeah, i know. sir, just hold on a minute. >> they try to get it through the court system. >> can we shut his mike off for a bit. before we shut off my bad guys are worse, i'm sure they're worse than in afghanistan and iraq as well. let me ask a simple question. let me ask you a simple question. was that paper going to blow up? the paper he removed, how was that paper a danger in the moment to the courtroom? go ahead, answer that. >> well, the potential of the message in that paper out to the
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streets may, of course, narcotics trafficking, intimidation of witnesses, killing of witnesses, it's not the mod us operandi of the mexican mafia to blow things up. they usually use a nine millimeter. >> thank you very much. sir, here's the question to you. why couldn't your client, knowing that -- and i believe you, and i believe him that he was very worried about what was written on that document -- >> thank you. >> why couldn't he say, your honor, i just saw a piece of paper that troubles me. i would like to come before the bench, show you this piece of paper and ask you to allow me to record it for the purposes of doing an investigation in our courtroom. why did he take it upon himself as if he were judge and jury in that moment to execute the law? something our constitution says he's not allowed to do. let's be fair about this, please. >> the constitution also says if you're going to put my client in jail, you have to give him due process of law. he has to have access to the evidence, what would prove his good faith basis for taking the
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steps he did. >> all she asked him to do is apologize. that's all. >> he ordered him to apologize. as you well know, rick, in this country no one's in the government can order another free citizens to say something. >> do you think a police officer has the right to go into someone's property and just take it without asking for a warrant? >> no, i don't, but do you think -- no, i don't, but do you think a judge has the authority -- not the right, but the authority to order a citizen to make a public speech at a press conference? no, he does not. the first amendment does not permit it, and we're going to go straight to the court of appeals and prove it. >> let me ask you a question, with all due respect. if we were being tried in the court, and we decided to get off of our seat in the middle of the case and run over to the prosecutor, open her file and start taking papers out of there, because we thought it was unfair or dangerous, what do you think would happen to you or me? >> to me, i'm in

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